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tonight's last word. hillary on top. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in los angeles. hillary clinton pulled off a win in this state last night. it's the cap of her historic achievement. she's clenched her place in the history books as the first woman to become a presidential candidate for a major political party. her challenge unified the party and bring bernie sanders supporters aboard. he will soon speak to support ers and reporters, we're told. last night, sanders promised to fight on to the philadelphia convention. that said, at least he didn't take any digs at hillary clinton personally last night.
tomorrow, sanders will meet privately with president obama at the white house. also with senator harry reid. several of his backers talked about party unity and offered praise for secretary clinton. this comes as many republican leaders are in open revolt against their nominee, donald trump. earlier today, clinton spoke to lester holt about how she will run against trump. let's watch. >> it may be hard to see tonight, but we are all standing under a glass ceiling right now. thanks to you, we've reached a milestone. the first time in our nation's history that a woman will be a major party's nominee. yes, there are still ceilings to break for women and men, for all of us. don't let anyone tell you that great things can't happen in
america. barriers can come down. justice and equality can win. >> is this going to be the nastiest campaign ever? will you respond insult to insult? >> no, absolutely not. he can run a campaign of insults. i'm running a campaign of issues that will produce results for american people. i'll talk about why he's unqualified to be president based on his own words and his deeds. i'm going to continue to make the case he's tempermentally unfit to be commander in chief. >> not a campaign of insults. he's tempermentally unfit to be commander in chief. thank you for joining us. senator, hillary clinton has been laying down a template
saying i had to accept defeat to barack obama. i lived with it. there's differences. that was a personal defeat. bernie is running a movement. there's no second chance for him. how does secretary clinton deal with a guy who doesn't want anything? >> i start with senator sanders himself. i came in with him. we're friends. we visited him in burlington. i think he's a good person. you take him at his word. he said he would support our nominee. he has said that for months. he's said he does not want donald trump to be president. he will do everything to ensure that he's not president. to me, that means that he supports our nominee. i think -- i'm not as worried about the timing here as when he does things. i'm more focused on what he says. he clearly has built a movement of supporters.
he cares a lot about what's many the democratic platform and the kinds of policies that are being pushed for. i think that's why discussions with the president and hillary clinton are key. >> they are. stay with us, if you can. we watched senator sanders drive away. what's going on? i thought he was going to speak with the press, give some statement. he's in his car driving away. what happened? >> we're stunned here. it's stunning for him to walk away from the burlington press core. i think it tells you about the mood of this campaign. they are incredibly undecided, chris. conversations i've had with people close to him, what the path is going forward. we're in what the senator, himself, has called the assessment period. he said after california, they would have to look at everything. this process started. i think the way it's been going tells you a lot.
this morning at the hotel before we got on that plane, one aide said they spent a lot of time going over last night's numbers from california. talking with people who are looking at the ballots that have yet to come in. when i asked would that make a difference if it's a closer race and he still doesn't win. there really wasn't a good anxious for that. tomorrow will be critical. he goes into the oval office. it's supposed to be a one-on-one meeting with the president. we believe that the president is going to talk about a couple of things. one is the delegate math. the second is about how to move forward to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. that's something they share. in the afternoon he's going to meet with harry reid. don't underestimate the importance of that meeting. they are very close. one aide told me today, he says
every other week, i really love harry reid. they have been in touch throughout the course of this campaign. that's going to be very important. it's going to be those conversations he has with his wife and close advisors. on board that five-hour plane ride, there was a lot of activity. his wife was talking to people. they were looking at laptops and information on sheets of paper. so was jeff weaver, the head of the campaign. his senior strategist, tad divine. according to a person up front, bernie sanders was mostly engaged with his grand children and talking over the last 24 hours to three people close to him. i would say that all of them had a somber mood. they say they are having a very difficult time on getting a read where his head is. >> we're watching him putting his arm around tad divine, his
communications director. he's easy to deal with. now he's got his arms around another guy in the campaign. bernie can be a tough guy. i wonder if there's a sentiment involved here. this is hard to say good-bye to. i mean it. for the first time in his life to have crowds roaring who has been in sort of pokey politics. now he's there with this excitement and say i give up. i wonder if he's still not ready to do that. do you think he's ready to say good-bye to all this? >> i don't think he's ready to wrap his head around that yet. it took a couple of days for hillary clinton to do that. she was on a different stage. you're absolutely right. this is somebody for 30 years or more has been talking about the same things but never had
millions of people paying attention to him. i also compared being at these rallies and i've gone to 30, 40 of them over the last month to being with paul mccartney. i've seen young women, college age, who look like they will cry or faint. 10,000 people came out to see him. i think there is another piece of this. there's an ego part of it. there's also that very solid piece of things that he cares about whether it's the $15 minimum wage or free college or changing health care, fracking. a lot of issues he's talked about that's really motivated a lot of his supporters that he really has to come to grips with what's the best way to see he's able to move that agenda forward of what he calls the movement, chris. this is an incredibly emotional time for everybody involved. >> you're the best.
thanks so much. i think it's great that you've been talking. senator, you've been in political life. it is like tony bennett. it's like one of these guys with a whole career and at the end this crescendo. i wonder how he can walk away from it. >> first of all, i was thinking the paul mccartney analogy. i think bernie will continue to get huge crowds where ever he goes whether he's campaigning, if he chooses to do so for secretary clinton, whether he's helping our senate candidates. he's always been a big draw. he's always been popular on social media and a great legislature. you look at the work he did when he got all that money for health
care in the affordable care act and he's been practical about that. i think that's something that harry reid understands is that bernie cares about the people he represents and now in way because of his movement, he represents the whole country. there will be a role for him to continue to do that. again, that is for him to decide when he's going to make that decision. >> you're hearing what is the process. from senator who is an excellent exponent, give him his time, respect him and sort of woe him back into the fold. >> bernie has always been a strong person. we keep hearing there's a fight. in politico's report the other day, somebody has been blaming
bernie for the missteps. the knives are out. there's also a conflict between the regular democrats in this group and the true independents. jeff weaveweaver, i don't know w that want. >> my colleague and i have a story for the times that looks at this split between inside the campaign with tad divine and jeff weaver. they are two different individuals. >> explain the difference. >> he's this bull in the china shop where divine is much more political and pragmatic. he's listening to both of them now as he heads to washington. >> senator sanders put his heart into this state. a couple of weeks being out here trying to win the biggi. it doesn't work. he doesn't get the cherry on top. he doesn't end the campaign the
way he wanted to end it with fie power. now he has to go back to vermont and do what? brings his army to the support of hillary clinton. i think he will try to keep himself and his movement distinctive as an independent? >> bernie sanders has got to deal with his supporters. they don't want him to give up the fight. rosanne said she was with bernie when he got the news about the ap. she said it was like a punch in the gut to him when he was in san francisco. they're angry. they feel the election was stolen. that's the way she put it. this was a collaboration between the party and corporate media. they don't want bernie sanders to go away. bernie sanders supporters plan a meeting, rally in chicago on
june 17th and 18th. they have invited him to be there. they are convinced this is a movement that goes forward. they will respect whatever he wants to do. they don't want him to forget the issues whether it's single payer, campaign finance reform and all the other things that they have been working for for months with him. >> carla, how do they explain the fact that the objective numbers as of last night, steve pointed out on the big board, and everybody is doing it. it shows the delegates elected by primaries and caucuses, the actual democratically elected delegates out number the delegates elected for senator sanders. how can they complain about the math on that matter. forget the super delegates. >> i heard one hillary supporter say bernie sanders complaining about this delegate is like lebron james complaining about the three-point line. you have to play with rules of the game as it is.
the fact is, bernie sanders people think the dnc, debby wasserman schultz, they're angry at her and want some action on that. they think the ap thing had a real effect on suppressing the vote in california. she got a 10-point lead with them from the start. it was hard for bernie sanders to make that up no matter how much he campaigned. >> they didn't change anything. these guys are fabulous. thank you. you're a strong supporter of hillary clinton.
make it a soft landing for everybody. thank you. coming up, we'll hear from hillary clinton, presumptive nominee sat down with our colleague, lester holt of nbc. we'll have that in a minute. hillary will talk about this. as the democrats begin to come together, i'm not sure it will happen until philly. this is such an interesting meltdown going on on the r side of the world. the pressure is building on donald trump to start acting like a political leader. one republican senator has taken back his endorsement of trump. now there's open talk if he doesn't get his act together, the party may start to look for someone else to top the ticket in november. i don't think that's going to happen. it's too hard to do. this is hardball, the place for politics.
now that hillary clinton has become the presumptive nominee, she sat down for an interview late today with lester holt. the anchor of the evening news. here's that interview. >> secretary clinton, first of all, congratulations. >> thank you so much, lester. it was quite an evening last night. >> we heard a little bit about your phone call with senator sanders. he described it this glowing terms. how would you describe it? >> i was very happy that we connected. i called him to congratulate him on the extraordinary campaign he's run. i look forward to working with him to unify our party and to come out of our convention ready to defeat donald trump in november.
>> you gave him kudos in your speech last night for igniting a part of the party, a part of the electorate out there. can you name one idea he's put forward that you want to embrace that he's changed your position on? >> well, it's not that so much as the passion that he brought to the goals that his campaign set. i share the goals. we had different approaches about how to get there, but we are going to get to universal health care coverage. we are going to raise the national minimum wage. we're going to make college affordable. we're going to crack down on abuses in the financial markets. his passion for a litany of important goals for the country has ignited for a lot of young people. we share so much more in common than we have at all with donald trump. i think it's going to be an
exciting time to bring our supporters together to make a commitment to defeating donald trump. >> at the same time, he's officially, at least from his viewpoint a candidate in this race going forward. did you talk about how much space, how much -- at what point you would want him and expect his support? >> no. we didn't talk in those specifics. >> what would you like for him? >> i know how hard this is. i understand what it feels like to whole body and soul into a campaign, your staff, your supporters, people are 100% invested, and when it doesn't work out, i know that feeling. it's a hard one. it takes time to really work through it. we are reaching out through our campaigns to his campaign. we're going to continue to have conversations and i've made it clear i'm going to do everything
i can to make it possible for him to be a good partner in our joint efforts to pursue these goals that i mentioned and defeat donald trump. >> let's talk about him. one by one he picked off the republican challengers. what did you learn as you go forward and face him one-on-one in. >> i think that there are several lessons from his primary race. number one, a lot of his primary opponents never took him on over issues. they were some what close to what he was saying. they were not ready to take him on on the economy and his absurd ideas about what he would do for billionaires while leaving everybody else behind. they want to cut taxes on the wealthy too.
you can go down the issues that trump has been trumpeting and the republicans really couldn't figure out how to contest him on those. when it came to the personal attacks, they wouldn't come back either because in so many instances he was insulting them. he was insulting their families. they got caught up in that because there was no larger message that they were promoting. i think that in many ways made it possible for him to succeed. >> you have been on the receiving end of some of those more personal attacks. is this going to be the nastiest campaign ever? will you respond insult to insult? >> no. absolutely not. he can run a campaign of insults. i'm running a campaign of issues that are going to produce results for the american people.
i'm going to talk about why he's unqualified to be president based on his own words and his deeds. i'm going to make the case he's tempermentally unfit to be commander in chief. we need to unify or country. he's determined to divide americans between and among ourselves. that's just not tolerable. look at what he's done attacking this judge who is overseeing the case against trump university claiming he cannot be impartial because of his mexican heritage. the man was born in indiana. he's as much as an american as i am or donald trump is. that kind of talk has no place in american politics. you see a lot of republicans who can no longer sit by and tolerate what he's doing to their party. >> he has shown his hand also on your issues regarding e-mail. are you vulnerable there going forward? >> no, i'm not.
again, he is saying whatever he chooses regardless of the facts. that's his prerogative. we're going to stay focused on what really matters to the american people. i think that's a winning strategy. >> we thank you so much for your time. it's good talking to you. >> good to talk to you, lester. >> hardball back after this. republicans continue to criticize trump.
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we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. i cannot support him because of the what he said about the judge. that was too racism. >> that's the final straw? >> it was final straw for me. >> do you hope other members of your party do what you do? >> i do. >> trump said he has instructed his campaign surrogates to follow his lead but he hasn't
apologized. instead the trump campaign issued a statement saying it's unfortunate my comments have been miscon trued as a attack against people of mexican heritage. the wall street journal issued this warning, if mr. trump doesn't start to act like a political leader and his poll numbers collapse between now and the july convention, he may start to hear rumblings that delegates are looking for someone else. lester asked what kind of campaign hillary clinton would run.
the two issues being the fact he's ununqualified to be preside of the united states and he's tempermental. these are the issues. >> when you have candidates with these high negatives that each candidate will only win if they can make the other person unacceptable. i think she performed well last night. her whole campaign is really not so much about her as is about the fact that donald trump is someone who is inconsistent with like the american ideal, and people should not support him. >> let me go to david on this.
i know some sides are complicated. in fact, both sides are complicated. no sides pure. when you go into a fight and act as if the other side is no good, i'm going to try to keep my head clear in this campaign. we know her. the republican party is now going to name somebody for their nomination who they know has real problems. this may be the first time this has happened. they know crystal clear the guy has some serious ethnic problems. whatever his heart is saying to him, it comes off bad. i think it is complicated sometimes. we're going to know this guy's problems from day one. >> trump's making it very uncomplicated. he doesn't talk about policy. he doesn't issue policy statements. he does insults and passion and anger.
i think it's not just my pal matt saying he's inconsistent with the american ideal, i think hillary clinton is making a case that a lot of republicans agree with and conservatives agree with that donald trump can't handle the job. he lie beyond the norms of a politician. i'm not saying that hillary clinton tells the truth. he's erratic and bigot. what else do you want to disqualify the guy? i say this to my republican pals, i have a few. you let him in the tent. you embrace him and you basically, said to your base, here is what you really want. now you're having buyers remorse. it's way too late. he's going to drive apart the party. he's going to make life a lot easier for hillary. he's giving her and the democrats a very strong and clear organizing principle. keep this guy away from the nuclear button. >> trump referred to an
african-american as my african-american. >> i want to find out what's going on with him. look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? >> well, the greatest after calling him "my." last night he referred to african-americans in the possessive form. this time calling them our african-american people. >> we're going to rebuild our inner cities which are absolutely a shame and so sad. we're going to take care of our african-american people that have been mistreated for so long. >> "our african-american people." you read that and see how it sounds to you.
here is how they took issue with trump's choice of words and what he said today. >> the reference to our african-americans. it's just got to think that people bristle at that. >> do you? >> i do. i can imagine what it would be like for african-americans. i want to see a republican in the white house. given the positions that mr. trump has taken so far, he's not going to get there. >> tad, let's put a light touch on it. i don't jump on people like this all the time. paternalistic. "our." "our." are we reaching for something or is this bad way he talktalks? >> is that aimed at me? >> yeah. you're the home team. explain. >> this is incredibly inartfully worded. this african-american, he called
him by african-american. if he ended that in my african-american supporter, i still think it's inartful and not a good way to word it. i think it's a cheap shot. >> cheap shot by whom? jeff flake, the republican, a senator from arizona is picking a point here or is he hearing something he knows the problematic to african-americans. you don't think it's a problem? it's something somebody is picking on? >> if the result from these two statements about referring to african-americans in the audience is somehow like he is racist against african-americans is too far. i think that the wording he chose can allow people to mock him and in conjunction to what he said about this judge which was also a disparaging comment that i think a lot of people have been offended by and was a terrible comment. they're trying to push this together and say he's
unacceptable on racial terms. i think that's unfair. >> let me go to colleen. take some time and tell me what you think. if we didn't have this background noise in our hand, people wouldn't be going after him saying "our." you can't -- people are not giving trump the benefit of the doubt because they heard everything he said. it's so ethnic. it's hard to get through the thicket of it and say maybe he does have a good heart. take some time. >> if he just said, something like this once and you could say, that was a verbal hiccup. he didn't mean it. everyone misspeaks.
as he continues to say these things, it starts to edge closer to being a pattern. it kind of compounds on all these other things that we know about him. we know about the charges of racism against the charge. you can't separate out that context. i think that what really makes republicans nervous is that donald trump has really shown an unwillingness to learn from his mistakes to ever admit he misspoke or take it back. he just keeps saying the same things over and over again. if he says this once, he very possibly could say this a hundred more times. he just seems to struggle to describe ethnic groups in just normal terms. he also says the hispanics instead of just saying hispanics. >> can i just in hear real fast? >> quickly. >> i do think he realize he made a mistake that's why he read off teleprompters last night. i think he's realized he's way off message. i think it's wrong to think he
doesn't see this as a problem. he saw it as a problem. >> he won't call it a mistake. all these things he's done from the birther movement, it's not a bug in the system. this is a feature of the system. his supporters get out there and say we support him on this. we support him when he goes after -- 60% of republicans say they don't believe what he said about calling the american an american was racist. 60% of republicans back him up. >> we got to close shop here. i know you work on one side of the fire wall, colleen, the reporting side of the wall street journal. i know the editorial side has been pounding this guy. is there a chance that the establishment wing of the republican party, all the other people that can't stand trump, i mean everybody's out there against him. can they knock him out of nomination at this point or is it over? >> it's pretty much over. you go back to the same question that we've had again and again.
if not trump, then what. republicans haven't been able to settle on anyone else. they haven't been able to come up with a viable plan. even when there was time to do this and reasonable to try to execute it, republicans couldn't agree on someone else. they couldn't figure out how to go about this. six weeks away from the convention when he's secured the delegates, i don't know how you wrest that away from him and say we're going to start over. >> thank you. up next, here comes the general. donald trump and hillary clinton prepare for battle. could we be on our way to the nastiest election in memory in i think so. this just got interesting. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph,
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how do the hillary people woe or bring the bernie people in? they're not all sweethearts. how do they bring them in? >> i think some of them are not going to be coming in. they possibly wouldn't have voted democrat if he wasn't in the race. >> she has to make the statement, the outreach? >> i think she does. i think otherwise the party is divided now. i know bernie people are angry especially after the ap announcement. do they think that was cheating?
>> they think it was cheating. there's a lot of problems with the polls. i see a lot of things about conspiracy theories and the election was stolen from him. there's a lot of anger going on. >> i've never heard make a political accusation about the associated press. is this a marriage that can work? >> i think vice president biden had it right today. it takes grace and patience. it's got to come from the clinton people. we're dealing with a lot of newcomers. it's going to be hard to get them to understand how the
process works and reconcile to the reality it's really over. >> let's assume bernie's a human being. let's assume something magical happened in his life. >> i think what hillary will do, she's not going to focus on the particulars of the policies. >> she's going to trash him. >> he's going to say i remember what happened that night at the iowa field house and we saw bernie sanders incredible support. all she'll have to do is say how incredible was this. look at the movement. look how many people there were and hope that's enough. i think she assumes these people will not go to donald trump and come home.
>> will they come to her or stay with bernie as a separate army? will he keep his army together and bring it to bear for hillary but keep it together. he's got five more years of political life. he'll be 80 something. he doesn't look like he's quitting any day soon. he's got the names, the contributor list, the volunteer list. he could move that army with him. >> yeah. he might be looking at electing people to congress or keeping the movement on in some other way. the question is will the young people stay engaged. >> can he keep young people in their 20s about free state university tuition? >> that's the big question. >> i think the big thing that is very hard to do this thing post-candidacy, to keep it alive.
these same newcomers will go off and fight another war with probably another general in the next presidential campaign and the one after that. it's hard to keep them together. >> i thought dean was exciting. bernie has so many things pushing for him, but mainly it's him. these people like what they see up there, what they hear. >> the bluntness. the candor. >> she can't offer him the presidency. he's too independent. >> he is. i've seen so many people trump/bernie on the fence
people. >> you talked about that up there. you found those voters that could go like bobby kennedy versus george wallace. >> that's where i think in terms of the bernie supporters, she has to focus her energy. she's got to look at those people and bring them over to her side. >> you are smart. as goes pennsylvania, so goes the union. this will be the state to watch. >> i agree. >> thank you. i just agreed with you. thank you. coming up, you know him from the good wife and the american horror story. there he is. he's the judge in good wife. this is hardball, the place for
we don't allow people who practice beastiality to teach our children because it's illegal. it's not illegal to be a homosexual in california. >> your law goes any further. it's any school employee who supports a gay person can be fired. >> that's up there north of san francisco. thank you for joining us.
you played a conservative state legislature who proprosed a statewide ban of gays and lesbians teaching in school. it was this initiative that propelled the great harvey into the national spotlight. here is is. >> i'm appalled by the escalation of gun violence in the city and i agree that the plcaa is too fa reaching. if i were a senator or congressman, i would strive repeal it. i am a judge.
it is my job to rule according to the laws we have, not the laws i wish we had. >> one of the great shows ever on television. >> i love that show. >> i'm joined by dennis o'hare. he's supporting hillary clinton. with all the talk about last night, i think there was little attention paid to hillary clinton's rise in politics starting in 1970s when she married this guy, fell in love with him. got used to the culture down there. got contact lenses, had the certain hair style. did everything to adapt and call herself her husband's name. then she came to the white house, two for the price of one. the health care bill getting through the embarrassment of the '98 problem we all know about and having the guts to run for the senate for new york. the guts when people would have laughed at going on to become a hell of a senator from new york and totally accepted and secretary of state and no
problems and running again a second time. that's a hell of a political history. >> yeah. she's an amazing candidate and woman and success story. she's smart. she's passionate. she's determined and she actually aachieves the things she sets out to achieve. i find it galling to have anyone lecture on health care. i'm like do you remember she spent how many years of her life as the first lady work og health care. the fact that she try to guess her on foreign policy. >> yet bernie won all those 20-some states. what do you think that was about? >> the thing is she won for votes. more people voted for her. she won more votes. she's more popular than he is. he's so popular.
she's more popular. >> in hollywood land and you take the position of being pro-hillary is that okay? >> i had to come out of the closet as a gay man and an although eist -- coming out of the closet as a hillary supporter is harder. >> so bernie is bigger here. >> his supporters and god love bernie, i am not against bernie, i love some of the things he says but his supporters are passionate to the point of. >> nasty. >> no, you have to be careful how you approach them. >> i know. >> even my friends i have to kind of say i love bernie, i'm not picking a fight with bernie. >> i have kids too and they're with bernie. that's a fact. >> i'm a socialist at heart. >> great. socialist, actor, hillary guy.
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let me finish tonight with something that never got said last night, the night history was made. what was missing was a recognition and salute of what secretary clinton accomplished in this struggle. look at her life and career and you see the tests she faced and chose and passed. she went to arkansas and became the first lady and left to be the first lady of the united states and for many women that alone would have made her a figure of history, a figure of great admiration. then she pushed heard for health care reform and then she withstood the anguish of her husband's trouble and then she the courage to run for is that right of new york knowing there were critics out there waiting for her defeat. she ran and won. she served with great success
and was reelected to a second term, won for president and almost won and accepted it with defeat. she did it with class. appointed secretary of state she did the job impressively. she then threw herself into the breach running for the democratic nomination for president a second time defeating a strong challenge from bernie sanders. from the time she was a senior hillary clinton has been a leader with guts and energy and purpose and incredible resilience and she didn't get to where she is right now by any other way. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> don't let anyone tell you that great things can't happen in america. >> history for hillary, teleprompters for trump.
>> we're going to take care of our african-american people. >> today hillary keeps hitting. >> i'm going to continue to make the case he is unfit to be commander in chief. >> as republicans fears grow. >> as to whether or not they endorse me, it's okay if they don't but they have to get over it. >> tonight all the fallout from general election day one. plus my exclusive interview with the sanders super delegates switching to clinton and wendy davis and terry o'neal on hillary clinton's historic victory. >> i'm going to take a moment later tonight and in the days ahead to fully absorb the history we've made here. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. today what was officially day one of the general election race after hillary clinton solidified her claim on the democratic nomination clinching a majority